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svetielko
 svetielko      27.02.2014 - 13:44:00 (modif: 27.02.2014 - 13:44:27) [1K] , level: 1, UP   NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!
Nejak ma zaujali uz niektore uvodne vety:
It seems unlikely, given that many of the things that we regularly choose to do – from running marathons to raising children – are unlikely to increase our day-to-day happiness.

Ja neviem, preco by to bolo unlikely? Nezvysuje sport hladinu endorfinov, ci inych veci? Nie je bonding matky s dietatom tiez uzko spojeny s pocitom stastia/radosti/spokojnosti?

Tak nejak prilis bulvarne napisany clanok, prilis mi podsuva veci.

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Thunder Perfect Mind
 Thunder Perfect Mind      19.02.2014 - 21:22:05 , level: 1, UP   NEW
njn
what makes your brain happy and why you should do the opposite :)

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polar
 polar      19.02.2014 - 20:56:58 [5K] , level: 1, UP   NEW
pekne, pripomina
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/08/meaning-is-healthier-than-happiness/278250/

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svmn
 svmn      19.02.2014 - 22:00:53 (modif: 19.02.2014 - 22:03:06), level: 2, UP   NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!
pamataj slovo vedca: "Happiness is linked to not helping others in need"

mi to trochu pride ako hra so slovickami. "Being happy is about feeling good. Meaning is derived from contributing to others or to society in a bigger way." a pri tom (resp po tom) sa bezny clovek akoze neciti dobre? alebo bol vyskum postaveny systemom bud-alebo? lebo podla mna su tieto dva stavy mysle tak prepojene, ze nema vobec logiku ich rozpajat.. jedine ze by niekoho fakt sralo, ze musi pomahat ostatnym.. to je ale tema na iny vyskum..

e: zly parent

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cv::be
 cv::be      20.02.2014 - 12:42:23 [1K] , level: 3, UP   NEW
no, ja by som povedal, ze pre potreby vyskumu a hypotezy mozme do istej miery takto redefinovat/upratat zmysel. to myslim teraz vo vseobecnosti. pomoze to riesit problemy v ktorych ludia prakticky jasno nemaju (inak by taky vyskum nebolo treba, ze jo).

k tomuto pripadu - ak by sa naozaj ukazalo, ze ludia vo vseobecnosti naozaj nie su podla definicie stastni, preco neburat mytus? nestaviam sa vsak na stranu autorov.

problem tejto studie je zase aj ten, ze participanti boli "kulturni zapadniari". (nevsimol som si, ze by to bolo cross-culture based)

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polar
 polar      19.02.2014 - 22:55:03 , level: 3, UP   NEW
pravdu mas, aj mne to pride trochu ucelova az bulvarna interpretacia

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palino
 palino      19.02.2014 - 21:51:44 , level: 2, UP   NEW
ak nebudeš dobrý, budeš chorý!

efektívny spôsob ako primäť ľudí masovo konať dobro: pohroziť tým najcennejším.)

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kstslv
 kstslv      19.02.2014 - 22:23:26 , level: 3, UP   NEW
nebyt toho .) za vetou, tak si myslim, ze trpis konspiracnym zmyslanim:)
A) myslis si, ze to nie je pravda a niekto ta (nas) chce zamerne uviest do omylu (ak nebudeš dobrý, budeš chorý), aby dosiahol, aby bolo viac ludi "dobrych"?
B) je indvidualizmus lepsi ako kolektvizmus?

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palino
 palino      19.02.2014 - 22:35:31 , level: 4, UP   NEW
zakladať závery na takomto výskume je predčasné

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kstslv
 kstslv      19.02.2014 - 22:48:33 , level: 5, UP   NEW
ved netreba robit ziadne zavery, je to skor len na zamyslenie cele..
mna zaujimalo, preco ta vobec napadlo formulovat vetu v zmysle "primäť ľudí masovo konať dobro".. ako keby nejaki vedci (prip. "vedci"), ktorym nieco vyslo, to robili so zamerom primat niekoho k niecomu.. ale asi sa len v tom prilis rypem

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palino
 palino      19.02.2014 - 22:52:34 , level: 6, UP   NEW
som zástancom totalitarizmu vedcov, starej platónskej myšlienky a kolektívnych družstiev s kombajnami
človeče, ak nebudeš dobrý, príde si po teba vedec!

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kstslv
 kstslv      19.02.2014 - 23:12:14 , level: 7, UP   NEW
a ja mam rad surikaty a kebab s hranolkami!

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polar
 polar      19.02.2014 - 21:58:22 , level: 3, UP   NEW
no, pozor, praveze pointa clanku je v odliseni "happy" a "meaningful", takze ked uz zjednodusovat, tak:

mozes byt sice stastny, ale ak v tom co robis nevidis zmysel, budes chory

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palino
 palino      19.02.2014 - 22:03:25 , level: 4, UP   NEW
veď hej- meaningfull = byť osožným druhým/byť dobrým

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polar
 polar      19.02.2014 - 22:25:26 [1K] , level: 5, UP   NEW
vies co nie, to je rozdiel (minimalne v psychologii) - subjektivny zmysel vobec nemusi suvisiet s moralkou (trebars hitler robil prenho zmysluplnu vec).

takze klasicka existencialna sloboda vytvorit si svoj zmysel, a zaroven kym to nespravis, absencia zmysluplnosti cohokolvek...

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palino
 palino      19.02.2014 - 22:31:10 [1K] , level: 6, UP   NEW
len vychádzam z definície toho článku; to čo píšeš sa neukázalo v ich výskume spojené s meaningom

But the researchers, who looked at a large sample of people over a month-long period, found that happiness is associated with selfish “taking” behavior and that having a sense of meaning in life is associated with selfless “giving” behavior.

"Happiness without meaning characterizes a relatively shallow, self-absorbed or even selfish life, in which things go well, needs and desire are easily satisfied, and difficult or taxing entanglements are avoided," the authors of the study wrote. "If anything, pure happiness is linked to not helping others in need.” While being happy is about feeling good, meaning is derived from contributing to others or to society in a bigger way. As Roy Baumeister, one of the researchers, told me, "Partly what we do as human beings is to take care of others and contribute to others. This makes life meaningful but it does not necessarily make us happy.”

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polar
 polar      19.02.2014 - 22:49:54 , level: 7, UP   NEW
"partly", ok, urcite

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kstslv
 kstslv      19.02.2014 - 21:10:14 , level: 2, UP   NEW
velmi zaujimave

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polar
 polar      19.02.2014 - 21:17:33 , level: 3, UP   NEW
you bet.. :)